Sodarshan Chakra Kriya Audio beats to aid your meditation count and slow down your breath

To help beginners count the 48 belly pumps in Sodarshan Chakra Kriya
I created some beats to be played until the 16 “WaheGuru”s are internalized:

The first 3 minutes are played with the Mantra to demonstrate when to pump the belly,
thereafter the mantra fades out and meditation bells occur at 3,11, 31 and 62 minutes.

Meanwhile the beat slowly slows down within 62 minutes
from a very fast pace for breathless beginners to a Yogi-level of a 1-minute-breath cycle.

To use those beats I do recommend to put all songs in a playlist, but add Songs 70-108 a dozen times and then sort ist by name. (I purposely named the songs in ascending order according to length.
Then play it whilst doing Sodarshan Chakra Kriya and pump the belly until the breathing-cycle becomes too long, meaning until you run out of air.
If that is the case I would recommend to either stop the recording; or repead that song until your meditation is finished.

The next day delete the first song from the list and continue, so that your breath slows down from day to day. But be aware that the timers are not accurate after deletion of songs,
so you have to set yourself your own timer parallel to playing those songs.

This way you kill 2 birds in one stone – you internalize the 48 pumps so that you do not need the fingers anymore, and you learn to slow down your breath – my personal strong experience is that the slower your breath is the more you will get out of Sodarshan Chakra Kriya, especially within the 15 minutes directly afterwards !

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Since this Kriya is ancient wisdom I won’t charge anything but leave an option for you to pay something for it. You can use this download as a reflection-exercise to work out how much value you give to it.
One way to see it is to compare the price of digital CDs and take the average sum;
another way is to reflect upon what it is worth for you;
a third way is to remember how much you earn per hour and how much of your time you want to give.
Whatever you do – you do not have to give it to me – especially if you do not like internet-payments.
To give something to any organization or people in need is good enough – or to donate them some time.
Sometimes when I find it difficult to reach my intuition I go by eliminating extremes to land in the center, like “0 is to little, but 100 is too much, 2 is too little, but 50 is too much….” etc…
Even printing out the instructions and burning the CD can be a service to humankind which might be enough.

I came up with this idea over 10 years ago and left it unpublished for all that time because a fellow musician recommended to me to add some ambient music underneath.
Because music conditions emotions I find it counterproductive to play anything whilst working on a neutral state of mind. Therefore I did omit any music (except for 3 ambient bonus tracks which may are not related to SCK and be played separately).

I would recommend for you not to download the 112 individual tracks individually but the entire album, in order to play around in a flexible way with your desired time length and slow it down over time.

Except for the alarm sound I only used sampled heart beats and wind or breath to bring it as close to your organism as possible.

If the 10 seconds breathing is too long for you, contact me and I can mail you mp3s with 9, 8 or 7 second long breaths respectively.
And for anyone who prefers CDs: Mail me and I can either burn an Audio-CD for you or upload the entire 4-CD-package (of all different lengths) including covers and lightscribe templates to some cloud for you to burn it yourself.


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So Darshan Chakra Kriya is like 100 workmen working day and night to clear your Karma

After contacting Ana Brett & Ravi Singh I got this mail from Ravi Singh_

Thanks for writing and congratulations on your 1000 days of So Darshan. I (Ravi) did it for 62 min. (often twice per day) for 18 years. It took everything in my life to another level. So Darshan Chakra Kriya is an updated version of an ancient Brahmin purification technique. That is well documented. The ones who did the updating were the lineage of Sikh Gurus who elevated everything yoga to a very high Spiritual plateau. So Darshan Chakra Kriya is described verbatim (by the poet Jai Dev) in the Siri Guru Granth, the Holy book of the Sikhs. Please check our post on So Darshan Chakra Kriya.

Basically what Kundalini Yoga is is the “greatest hits,” of the Saints and Sages of the Ages. Yogi Bhajan didn’t “fabricate” Kundalini Yoga. If what came before (in yoga) was like Lester Young then Yogi Bhajan was Charlie Parker. Charlie Parker’s innovations in music were built upon what came before. There are elements of the K. Yoga we know and love in the Bihar school of yoga and in the esoteric branch of Sikhism, but Yogi Bhajan tied it all together into a cohesive system. By the Grace of the Infinite may may Kundalini Yoga continue to flourish and help people to heal their lives and heal the world.

We go into all of this in detail in the book we’ve written and which is now in the production phase. We’ll keep you posted via our e-newsletter

We wish you joy, health, and abundant blessings!

All Best,
Ana Brett & Ravi SIngh

Ravi Singh & Ana Brett
And I would like to add following story:

A young disciple asked Buddha: How long will it take me to burn through all of my karma. Buddha said, Can you imagine a block of marble 1 mile square? Now imagine that once a year a dove flies over the top of the marble trailing a silk scarf. How long do you think it would take to wear that block of marble down to nothing? Thats what each of us is up against with regard to the load of karmic debt we carry.

So Darshan Chakra Kriya is like 100 workmen with electric sanders working day and night on that
metaphorical marble. So Darshan Chakra Kriya is the most important and powerful meditation in Kundalini Yoga. This meditation will very quickly and effectively help you clarify and resolve the core issues in your life and very directly begin to transform your life in ways in ways you may not even be able to imagine!

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Some ancient roots of Sodarshan Chakra Kriya

Everyone believes in something – I do believe in a Pranayama Kundalini-Yoga-Exercise called Sodarshan Chakra Kriya, because it promises to balance out the entire energy.

On further research some people who are not in alignment with Yogi Bhajan’s teachings and 3HO-organization seriously doubted that this Meditation; which I put (since the last 4 and for the 4 years) all my efforts into;
would not be an authentic ancient yogic exercise, but a made up Kriya from Yogi Bhajan.

This was worse for me than having personal patience issues with the meditation (and believe me I was challenged many times to practice consistently). Over the last 20 years my entire spiritual focus was on trying and failing and trying again to accomplish SCK; and for the last thousand days I  did already build the Kriya up to over an hour.
I did even sacrifice my entire social-life and career in order to be able to complete Sodarshan Chakra Kriya. And suddenly it turns out to potentially be as fake as weapons of mass-destruction in Iraq or our entire money system? I was really worried that I had directed my entire life into Yogi Bhajan’s personal invention.

So I sat back and contemplated what to do:
The first step was to continue my 1000 days, because I always would be able to drop it at a later stage, but I would not be able to reclaim the 68 days I already did, if I stopped it now.
I also remembered that this exercise had some strong benefits for me – so even if it was all made up, there definitely was something valuable in it.

So whilst I continued to do practice daily, I did mail to a bunch of people who run other Sodarshan-Chakra-Kriya websites, someone repied that SCK would be referenced in the Sri Granth Sahib, so I did searched an online version for a simple part of the instruction – the phrase “left nostril” and found the following: at :

  • The breath is drawn in through the left nostril;
  • it is held in the central channel of the Sukhmanaa,
  • and exhaled through the right nostril,
  • repeating the Lord’s Name sixteen times

Considering that “Wahe Guru” ist the Sikh name for God, this comes close to Yogi Bhajan’s instruction:
Block off the right nostril with the right thumb.

  • Inhale slowly and deeply through the left nostril and
  • hold the breath.
  • Mentally chant ‘Wahe Guru” 16 times, while pumping the navel point 3 times with each repetition (once on ”Waa”, once on ”hey”, and once on ”Guru”) for a total of 48 pumps.

Unblock the right nostril and use the right index or pinkie finger to block the left nostril.

  • Exhale slowly and deeply through the right nostril. Continue, inhaling left nostril, exhaling right.

Simultaneous to my findings Sat Avtar Kaur found in
Here is a meditation described in Siri Guru Granth Sahib on page 1106 by Bhagat Jai Dev ji that was taught by SSS Harbhajan Singh Khalsa Yogi ji on August 1991. I just realized that only two shabads are in Siri Guru Granth Sahib by Bhagat Jai Dev and one of these two was him sharing his experience of this meditation.
I looked up which shabads he refers to
So far I can see following lines which somehow correlate with SCK:
On page 526:
ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਗੋਬਿੰਦੇਤਿ ਜਪਿ ਨਰ ਸਕਲ ਸਿਧਿ ਪਦੰ ॥
गोबिंद गोबिंदेति जपि नर सकल सिधि पदं ॥
Gobinḝ gobinḝėṯ jap nar sakal siḝẖ paḝaʼn.
Meditate on the Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the Universe, O man; He is the source of all the spiritual powers of the Siddhas.
And as mentioned above on page 1106:
ਚੰਦ ਸਤ ਭੇਦਿਆ ਨਾਦ ਸਤ ਪੂਰਿਆ ਸੂਰ ਸਤ ਖੋੜਸਾ ਦਤ੝ ਕੀਆ ॥
चंद सत भेदिआ नाद सत पूरिआ सूर सत खोड़सा दतढ़ कीआ ॥
Cẖanḝ saṯ bẖėḝiĝ nĝḝ saṯ pūriĝ sūr saṯ kẖoṛsĝ ḝaṯ kīĝ.
The breath is drawn in through the left nostril; it is held in the central channel of the Sukhmanaa, and exhaled through the right nostril, repeating the Lord’s Name sixteen times.

So it seems that this is the proof that Sodarshan Chakra Kriya has some roots at least in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib.

Having just seen more verses I assume that yogis either wrote those verses or took several texts spread out in the SGGS in order to fuse them together to entire Yoga-Kriyas or sets.

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Some sources I spontaneously found were:

Page 905, Line 7
“The Yogi draws the breath upwards, and opens the Tenth Gate.
He practices inner cleansing and the six rituals of purification.
But without the Lord’s Name, the breath he draws is useless.”
Guru Nanak Dev
This is a clear reference to the Mantra “Wahe Guru” as well as the necessary believe in god which I will tackle in another article.

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Page 333, Line 3
ultat pavan chakar khat bhayday surat sunn anraagee.
“I turned my breath inwards, and pierced through the six chakras of the body, and my awareness was centered on the Primal Void of the Absolute Lord.” – Bhakta Kabir –
Relates to: Holding the breath, pumping the belly & mentally chanting “Wahe Guru”.

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Page 991, Line 16
soor sar sos lai som sar pokh lai jugat kar marat so san-banDh keejai.
“Heat up the sun energy of the right nostril, and cool down the moon energy of the left nostril; practicing this breath-control, bring them into perfect balance.”
Guru Nanak Dev
The thumb is correlates to the thumb which heats up and the index finger to the Jupiter (and as it seems the Jupiter cooles down the left moon nostril).

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Page 359, Line 8
man motee jay gahnaa hovai pa-un hovai soot Dhaaree.
“If the pearl of the mind is strung like a jewel on the thread of the breath,…”
Guru Nanak Dev
This could be a reference to pumping the belly, hence directing the mind down the threat of the breath.

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The following quotes also emphasize on the importance of breath and a dedication to the divine. I saw Sikhs fighting amongst Kundalini-students because former focus on the believe in god and latter in the technique of the practice. It seems that both are essential for a spiritual sucess:

Page 969,
“Joining the two channels of the breath, I have lit the furnace, and I drink in the supreme, sublime essence.” – Bhakta Kabir –

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Page 972
“The mind, the master of the breath, abides in the state of supreme bliss. There is no death, no re-birth, and no aging for me now. || 1 |
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| Turning away from materialism, I have found intuitive support. I have entered into the sky of the mind, and opened the Tenth Gate. The chakras of the coiled Kundalini energy have been opened, and I have met my Sovereign Lord King without fear.”

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Page 1123, Line 13
ree kalvaar gavaar moodh mat ulto pavan firaava-o.
“You barbaric brute, with your primitive intellect – reverse your breath and turn it inward.” – Bhakta Kabir –

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Page 1365, Line 8
kabeer maa-i-aa dolnee pavan jhakolanhaar.
“Kabeer, Maya is the butter-churn, and the breath is the churning-stick.”
Bhakta Kabir

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 I also wrote an article about a fascinating 800 year old source – 200 years older than the Siri Guru Grant Sahib, where a christian gnostic version of Sodarshan Chakra Kriya is described here.

This means that you now have the choice to modify Sodarshan Chakra Kriya to your own believe if you understand its principles – this is what Yogi Bhajan or some Sikhs have done – they altered ancient Pranayama Techniques to implement it in their believe system. So even Jews, Muslims or any Religion whatsoever should be able to utilize this knowledge. Contact me if you want to work it out for your own religion and I will do my best to help with my experience.

Here is another link, Xavier just sent me

When asking Ravi Singh & Ana Brett that according to the tantra shastras, Sodarshan Chakakra Kriya can purify your past karma and the subconscious impulses that may block you from fulfilling one, they mailed me:

“In the Sharada Tilaka Tanta a proto-version of So Darshan Chakra Kriya is described:
Inhale through the left nosril (concentrating on the left side of the spine) for 16 counts. Hold the breath for 64 counts guiding energy into the central channel of the spine (shushumna). Exhale through the right nostril for 32 counts.
It states that this can be done with or without a mantra recited mentally.”

Since in Kriya Yoga and Vivekanda one promote that one should breath in 4 beats, hold the breath for 16 beats and breath out 8 beats, it seems that one yogi secret is the ratio of breathing in to holding to breathing out being: 1:4:2.
Hence I will try breathing in thinking 4x “wahe guru” (which is 12 beats),
pump 16x as instructed while holding the breath (48 beats)

  • the pumping seems equilvalent to guiding energy to the spine)

and breath out thinking 8 times “wahe guru” (not pumping my stomach on the breaths).
This then is equivalent to a 1:4:2 ratio, which I just was told is called “Anuloma Viloma” or “Nadi Shodana” in classical Hatha Yoga. It’s a very well known and powerful practice used in order to clean the nadis and it is supposed to burn the karma.

I know one should not add anything to the kriya, so I won’t recommend it to others,
I just experiment with it in order to see if I can find the common breathing ratio.

I personally will research more into Raja Yoga as my next way to move on after I will have done 1000 days of 2 1/2 hours.


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Brilliant Video instruction for Sodarshan Chakra Kriya.


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My agenda to write this blog was to show gratitude for Sodarshan Chakra Kriya by giving something back for free to the world, and also to make an experiment whether spiritual inclined people without explicit and placative pleas for donations would give out of their free will.
So far my approach did have disappointing results and not to have been very rewarding, because only few do comment or like posts, most passed through doing SCK for a few months (none stood to walk through my longterm project with me), 
and within 5 years only one reader did donate to this blog into which I do invest all my time, and one Hollywood-actress did thank me for the blog and to then donate to 3HO (which I am not associated with).
Others after having asked me many questions by mail never even bothered to practice it once, and told me straight to my face that they would neither donate anything nor need a fatherly advice. 

That gave me the impression that most people only respect perfect lifestyle gurus who share inspirational success stories, or make a stern face, demanding unconditional respect (as Yogi Bhajan did); and in essence it shows a lack of maturity – even within the spiritual community – to look behind masks or turbans.
That is the same principle that makes the Kali-Yuga-society applaud anyone with success and a tie – regardless of their authenticity.

Because I earned less than 1$ per month of working on this blog full-time, for a few days I started to protect myself by implementing a symbolic nominal fee for email-questions
(which includes personal reminders of when to enter the next milestone according to your cabalistic cycle) and asked anyone who wants to dig into my 26 years of experience with Sodarshan Chakra Kriya, to do one of the following:
4€: get my ambient single, (for 1 questions)
7€: or the SodarshanChakraKriya-beats here, (for 2 questions & a reminder)
(if you want a CD I also can send you one)
10€: donate to me via paypal (for 3 questions including two reminders)
14€: buy my Fusion-double CD here,(which includes the Ambient single)
(a Hardcover CD purchase will entitle you to unlimited questions and reminders)

In the end I decided that in order not to leave anyone without money behind, so I will continue to write articles as long as I am involved in the SCK-project and leave this blog here for free.
Also I will answer anyone with questions ad I even will mail you the SCK-beats if they are helpful for you, but I would consider it to be fair that you either show some appreciation in form of some kind of a donation.

Update on the 12th: There are now less than a dozen of my limited Double-CDs left.

Thank you for your understanding

Mein Grund diesen Blog zu schreiben war zum Dank für Sodarshan Chakra Kriya etwas kostenlos der Welt zurück zu geben, und gleichzeitig zu testen, ob spirituelle Menschen ohne plakative Aufforderungen zu spenden freiwillig etwas zurück geben.
Soweit hat mein Ansatz nur enttäuschende Resultate gezeigt und war für mich persönlich nicht sehr lohnend, weil nur wenige kommentieren, und die meisten nur SCK für ein paar Monate machen
(und keiner hat mein Langzeit-Projekt mit mir gemacht).

Innerhalb von 5 Jahren hat nur eine Leserin für den Blog gespendet, in den ich all meine Zeit investiere, eine Hollywood-Schauspielerin hat mir für den Blog gedankt, um dann etwas an 3HO zu spenden (denen ich nicht zugeordnet bin), einer nach einem Jahr an Fragen sich nicht mal die Mühe gemacht SCK auch nur einmal zu praktizieren, und Einer sagte mir direkt ins Gesicht, dass er niemals spenden würde, noch einen väterlichen Rat brauchen würde.

Das gab mir den Eindruck, dass die meisten Menschen nur perfekte Gurus respektieren, die inspirierende Erfolgsgeschichten teilen, oder ein strenges Gesicht machen und bedingungslosen Respekt fordern (wie Yogi Bhajan es tat); und im wesentlichen zeigt es einen Mangel an Reife auch innerhalb der spirituellen Gemeinschaft, weil Menschen nicht in der Lage sind, hinter Masken oder Turbane zu schauen.
Das ist das gleiche Prinzip ist generell in unserer heutigen Kali-Yuga-Gesellschaft zu beobachten, die jedem, unabhängig von seiner Authentizität, applaudiert, der Erfolg hat und eine Krawatte trägt.

Weil ich für jeden Monat an dem ich Vollzeit an diesem Blog gearbeitet habe, durchschnittlich weniger als 1$ verdient habe, habe ich für ein paar Tage eine kleine Schutzgebühr für E-Mail-Fragen erhoben, die auch Erinnerungen an den nächsten Meilenstein nach Deinem persönlichen kabalistischen Zyklus berechnet beinhalten.

Wer also von meinen 26 Jahren Erfahrungen mit Sodarshan Chakra Kriya teilhaben wollte, sollte auf eine der folgenden Arten spenden:
3€: Kaufe meine ambient-single (für 1 Frage)
7€: oder die SodarshanChakraKriya-beats, (für 2 Fragen und eine Erinnerung)
10€: spende mir per paypal (für 3 Fragen inklusive Erinnerung)
14€ oder kaufe meine Fusion-Doppel-CD,(beinhaltet die Ambient-Single)
(Der Hardcover-CD-Kauf berechtigt zu unbegrenzte Fragen und Erinnerungen)

Da ich aber Niemand ohne Geld im Stich lassen will, habe ich mich entschieden, solange ich das SCK-Projekt vollende, weiterhin Einträge zu schreiben, den gesamten Blog hier kostenlos für Alle stehen zu lassen, weiterhin Fragen ohne Vorab-Entlohnung zu beantworten, und werde Jedem sogar bei Bedarf die SCK-beats kostenlos mailen. Aber ich fände es nur fair, wenn Du mir als ein Zeichen der Wertschätzung etwas spendest oder.

Update am 12.: Es sind weniger als ein Dutzend von meinen limitierten Doppel-CDs übrig.

Vielen Dank für Dein Verständnis

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Sodarchan Chakra Kriya: about the time and length

There is no time, no place, no space, and no condition attached to this meditation.
Each garbage pit has its own time to clear. If you are going to clean your own garbage, you must estimate and clean it as fast as you can, or as slow as you want. You have to decide how much time you have to dean up your garbage pit.” (Yogi Bhajan)

I strongly assume that the following is also from Yogi Bhajan,
because I gathered From the 3HO comunity verbally, that
• 40 days of daily meditation and all skin-cells have changed, (which has to do with the aura)
• 90 days and all blood-cells have changed (blood is related to emotions)
• 120 days the bone-cells have changed and you have changed permanent
by stamping each cell with your spiritual intention.
• 1000 days of meditation changes a monkey to a saint.

My personal recommendation from my decades of expericence for you is:
1.    build it up over a 2-3 week period increasing 1 “Wahe Guru” each time & do it properly: sit straight and focus on the tip of the nose (at least for 1 breathing cycle to train yourself into that nasty burn that focus causes in the brain – it will get better later – I just experience this ).
(It took me 2 weeks to be able to hold the breath over more than one cycle – then suddenly I had a break through and was able to meditate for as long as I could)

Then avoid my mistake: Do not try to do 2 1/2 hours straight away: I did it and it brought up so much stuff that it destroyed my entire life for 24 years – within that time I tried and failed again and again and instead of reaping benefits I did suffer a tremendous sensibility for injustice, loneliness and own mistakes. My entire career was destroyed by self reflection and I even got chronically sick from it.

Instead do the following which I realized and practiced about 4 years ago:
2.    Go for 40 days DAILY just 3 minutes. Even if you are invited somewhere and forgot to do it you still can do it on someone’s toilet. Just make sure you did not consume drugs or alcohol beforehand. (Jesus also went for 40 days into the desert to transform himself).
3. Extend the 40 days to 90 days of daily meditation
(meanwhile you can increase your practice 1 minute a week up to 10 minutes if you wish )
(this took me an entire year because I failed many times after around 55 days) Those 50 days between day 40 & 90 are by far the most difficult ones, because they relate to the blood with all its emotions so all impatience and resistance arises in that period.
4. Stay with the daily practice and extend  your 3 min. Kriya to 120 days. This is not difficult.
5.    Thereafter do the same program of 120 days but with a minimum of 11 minutes. ( still easy )
(This also took me another year because I again failed a few times between 50&60 days. However meanwhile I did build it up to half an hour).

Now you may do step 6,7, and 8 or jump right to step 9.

  1. Someone just told me that she also heard of a 22 minute step, so if you are struggling doing half an hour, you may add 120 minutes of 22 minutes before you do:
    7.    120 days of 31 minutes (meanwhile you can build it up to an hour).
    (This also took me another year). 31 minutes already strained my patience. Even more so:
    8.    120 days of 62 minutes. For this I literally had to give SCK total preference and drop my worldly ambition. I literally was exhausted after each meditation.
    (By the way: the length was measured in heartbeats not minutes, but it is calculated into minutes for todays zeitgeist.)
    (This is where I am at right now and since the beginning of this year I could not overcome 55 days), so I had the constructive idea to kill 3 birds 1 one stone:
    (I try the desired 62 minutes since day 50 of the 1000 days, but I will not increase it until I acomplished 120 days of 62 min in order not to overdo it again and then fail.) Alternatively you could

9.    start with at least 24 Minutes and increase the time every week just by one minute.
This way you also will have completed 120 days of 31 and 62 minutes and should reach the 2 ½ hours after 880 days so that you can continue to do
10.    120 days of 2 ½ hours !
11.    and by then you will have done Sodarchan Chakra Kriya  for 1000 days nonstop!

This is of course a very aspired plan and not guaranteed to succeed, but we can change our attitude to failure as they do in the gym: The ones training hardest purposely make repetitions “until failure” which is nothing negative but a sign that they gave their best.
So if this should turn out to be too much, I will reduce the time but still strive for 1000 days. This way I can later continue building up until I suceed.

Of course you will not follow my game exactly – this is merely a suggestion to keep you going, because this way you have small steps to accomplish along the way which will keep you practicing daily. This is just my game, so it is not imperative to follow it.

Additionally I will separate all steps into many levels, so that all of you can comment under the level you currently are. This way we can build a comunity who shares their experiences. This took me 24 years and will take me at least another 3, but maybe by now the time is ripe for you to it all in one go which would then take you 4 years.
I assume that this will take you something in between 4 and 27 years – as long as your soul needs to adjust to that major shift in consciousness.
Always remember that you are doing a 180° turn from possibly many lifetimes, so even my 27 years are fast compared to the thousands of years I might have been a Neanderthal !